Rebekah Smith Interview

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  • Could I start with your name and position?
  • Yeah.
  • Absolutely.
  • My name is Rebekah Smith and I'm a circulation Services specialist at
  • the library at AU.
  • And do I have permission to record
  • today's conversation? Yeah.
  • Is there anything in particular you want to cover, or don't want
  • to cover? Honestly, I haven't really thought
  • about it.
  • I did a lot of work with social
  • media and like communications during the strike.
  • So if you'd like to ask about that or talk about that, that would be
  • great.
  • But no. Otherwise just haven't
  • really planned for this.
  • Perfect.
  • And you can always record a second one too if you want to add
  • multiple or Great.
  • So today is Monday March 20th, I
  • am Gabriela Folsom and I'm here with Rebecca on the quad at
  • American University.
  • It is 11:30 and we are conducting
  • an oral history interview for the Preserving the Picket Line AU
  • Staff Union Archive.
  • So thank you for joining us here
  • today.
  • Happy to be here.
  • So we'll start with how would you describe your involvement in the
  • union or in the strike? Yeah, absolutely.
  • So I like to say that basically, I was involved in the union from the
  • time that we voted to form a union.
  • I came out of a union job shortly before this one.
  • I worked for the DC Public Library, and you know I wouldn't
  • say my family really prominent like labor people are anything,
  • but we've always kind of been a pro-union household.
  • We believe in unions.
  • And so I was, yeah, I felt, I was
  • like, happy.
  • I was like, great, like, loving
  • union, sign me up.
  • So I sign my card- or signed.
  • I did the vote.
  • We won.
  • I signed my card, I was like, cool.
  • I'm going to be a union member, done.
  • And then I just kind of waited and like, waited, and then I waited
  • some more, and then it was spring of 2022.
  • And that's when I was sort of like, well, hold up, like we've
  • been in negotiations no, for a really long time.
  • I [had been] kind of, keeping up with updates, but I hadn't really
  • paid attention.
  • But that was when they started
  • asking, they being the people on the negotiating team, for people
  • to start coming to open bargaining, so for other people
  • who weren't on that team to start showing up to these sessions.
  • So I said, great, like I can do that.
  • That sounds good to me.
  • Support the union.
  • So I started showing up to the sessions and that's how I sort of
  • realize, exactly how difficult and challenging and just kind of
  • getting nowhere, the process had really been for, for the union
  • organizers and for our negotiating team.
  • And so that helped me understand like why it was important to keep
  • showing up and it was pretty low stakes, I just join a zoom call.
  • So I did, and then that turned into kind of like some actions
  • over the spring.
  • I went to the Kennedy Center
  • action and sort of into the summer was when I think I first started
  • hearing people talking about going on strike, and that was definitely
  • like a big step for me, that wasn't fun.
  • I never thought about doing or having to do.
  • My union at my old job was like very long established, no one
  • really challenged it or anything like that, but it was very helpful
  • to kind of spend that time over the spring, like becoming slowly
  • more involved and going to these events and sort of seeing
  • firsthand, because that helped me understand why it was important
  • and sort of why it was the only option left.
  • So then I then I voted yes on the strike vote because I understood
  • that, and that's how I found myself on strike in August.
  • So I like to say I kind of tripped and fell into the Union a little
  • bit.
  • And walk me through what the week
  • of the strike was like for you.
  • Yeah, it was exhausting.
  • It was like very profound.
  • Yeah, it was exhausting, It was
  • very profound, it was it was both like exactly as challenging as I
  • thought it would be and like way more challenging or maybe
  • challenging in ways that were totally different than I expected.
  • I had no idea how physically demanding it was going to be to be
  • out in like 85 degree weather in the sun.
  • No shade, eating hot pizza, which was terrible, for five days in a
  • row or how physical like, marching and chanting and screaming really
  • were, um, definitely takes a toll.
  • But obviously it was also very
  • moving, it was really emotional in a lot of ways and like, very
  • meaningful for me.
  • It really helped me It really
  • helped me like realize like how important what we were doing was
  • and feel like extra committed to it.
  • Yeah.
  • So I'd say like a lot of a lot of
  • was stuck with me about it just like the physicality of it.
  • You're like out there, you're like really putting your like, sweat
  • and like tears on the line you're really putting the like, the
  • physical and emotional work in to try and achieve this outcome more
  • so than kind of anything else we had really done.
  • It was also very busy for me because I had at that point
  • committed to helping with social media and especially just like
  • photography and video of the strike and that was a very ragtag
  • affair, not in a bad way, just kind of like strung together.
  • So it was also very physical like running around, trying to find
  • like photo-ops, trying to think up social media posts and ways of
  • communicating about the strike on the fly, just staying on top of
  • like, the flood of information we were getting in as well, which was
  • a surprise for me.
  • I expected to spend a lot of time
  • putting information out, but we got this huge flood of information
  • and like comments and interactions coming in for us as well.
  • That took a lot of hands on time.
  • So interesting.
  • Was it a lot of like, folks from outside AU, or a lot of like
  • community members coming in? It depended on the platform.
  • So I primarily was working with Instagram and that was very much
  • AU community but not not staff union members, or members of our,
  • what's it called? [Members of the unit?] Yeah,
  • members of the unit, potential staff union members.
  • So, lots of students, student groups, some outside groups as
  • well, external groups.
  • But just a huge number of students
  • especially those who are starting to come on campus that day, the
  • incoming class, which, I was very surprised.
  • I really- I knew that was kind of the goal, but I didn't realize.
  • like, how engaged they would be with us via Instagram.
  • We got like information from them.
  • I know, it's kind of fun because I
  • was sort of be like the first to know a lot of these things.
  • So I had obviously the walkout that happened on the last day was
  • totally student-organized like in, we didn't organize it in any way,
  • but I had kind of gotten rumors, really information from some of
  • them, like, "Hey, we're trying to do a thing.
  • Hey, this is happening.
  • Hey, how would you advise us to do
  • this?" tends to get a real outpouring of support from
  • students, like, in the form of, like, tangible obviously like
  • likes and shares.
  • I mean, we got some insane,
  • insanely large numbers, talking like in the thousands of the
  • interactions and shares and likes, which I've never seen before, or
  • since, which is probably good.
  • And yeah, and then definitely like
  • a little bit of like negative interaction too, which like I've
  • never been a professional social media person before so, you know,
  • quote unquote professional, right? I'm not an influencer.
  • So that wasn't really something.
  • I never had to deal with my
  • personal life and there wasn't too much, but there's definitely a
  • little bit of very intense, like, negative feedback.
  • We got especially around after Wednesday with the first day we
  • had actually like physically kind of disrupted move-in, so that was
  • mostly from like parents and external groups, a little bit from
  • students not too much but yeah.
  • So yeah, a lot of that external
  • and like I said, just a lot of almost overwhelming amount of the
  • information coming in, but it was important to stay on top of it
  • because that's how we found out like, where Sylvia Burwell was
  • hiding, or like what students wanted from us or needed from us.
  • I remember at one point someone had accidentally like blocked like
  • an ADA exit, or someone who I think had shown up to the strike.
  • like, not a staff union member had, like, I think, like yelled at
  • a student, which was very much, like, not, okay.
  • And they use social media to say, like, hey, like this wasn't cool.
  • And we were able to say like, yeah, you're totally right, like
  • we want to address this and then brought that back to the strike
  • the next day and said, like, hey, like make sure you're not doing
  • these things.
  • So it was this pretty like,
  • essential two-way street of communication which I hadn't,
  • which very much surprised me, I hadn't really expected that but
  • was cool.
  • That's great.
  • What was the most memorable part of the strike for you?
  • It's probably not like as probably, what was the most
  • memorable part of the story for me?
  • I- it's not original, I'm sure you'll hear other people say this,
  • but for me I think it was the student walkout.
  • Like I said, we on the social media team had kind of heard
  • rumors.
  • We sort of knew they were trying
  • to put something together, but because we had to make sure it was
  • totally like separate from us, we had to be very hands-off, so we
  • didn't know, you know would we get like five or 10 students, would we
  • get 20 or 30, are they going to be like, willing to do it because we
  • could totally understand them, kind of in the moment, not wanting
  • to.
  • So, I just remember that Friday.
  • Everyone was very tense about going back to the bargaining
  • table, which had been kind of announced, kind of unexpectedly on
  • Thursday night, honestly, I don't know that we really expected AU to
  • even like, be willing to do that.
  • So there are a lot of kind of
  • conflicting emotions, we were kind of sending these fourteen people
  • in.
  • People were very, very anxious
  • about whether we could afford to stay on strike any longer or if we
  • were really going to get anywhere.
  • And we were definitely a smaller
  • group than we had been on Wednesday or Thursday just for,
  • you know, the normal reasons.
  • So I think we are all feeling,
  • maybe not demoralized, but like pretty tired.
  • So this is after four days of this, it's really hot, and we have
  • all these emotions going through our heads, so we kind of had to
  • pull it together.
  • We showed up in front of this
  • barricade.
  • It was really bizarre because they
  • sort of changed all these plans around convocation to really like
  • keep us out with like armed police and, like fences, like a threat,
  • which is kind of weird when your own employers treating you like a
  • threat.
  • And so, yeah, I remember being
  • there.
  • Just being very anxious.
  • I hadn't wanted to- obviously I told people who need to know, but
  • I hadn't wanted to share like too widely about like what the
  • students were planning, so I didn't want to hide people up and
  • have them be like disappointed.
  • So I think people knew that this
  • is kind of in the works but I hadn't shared the like, multiple
  • messages and things I got.
  • And I didn't want to over blow up.
  • So all of that, right? And then, I'm standing like right
  • at the very front in front of this barricade like, in front of just
  • these random doors into the gym and to the pool area.
  • And I'm getting messages from the students like, okay, like this is
  • it.
  • I got like a video of people
  • standing up inside the gym and I was like, oh my gosh, some right
  • there.
  • And I'm like, I can't, I don't
  • want to like, you know, tell anybody.
  • And then suddenly, and we're like screaming, and is echoing in the
  • tunnel, and then suddenly the doors open and like a student
  • comes out and they're like, can't believe what they're seeing and
  • then like two students come out and then like 10 students come out
  • and I started videoing it and my video by the end of it was four
  • minutes long.
  • It took them four minutes to exit
  • the stadium.
  • There were so many people and
  • everyone was just like sobbing.
  • You can't tell, cause I'm wearing
  • sunglasses, but I'm tearing up now, just talking about it.
  • And the students were screaming and we were screaming back at
  • them, and it was just this like, huge cathartic, like painful but
  • like really amazing, like moment, I'll never forget it.
  • Our organizers, were like, crying one of them, I called Larry our
  • chief negotiator who had had to leave that day.
  • They were just over there like sobbing.
  • Everyone was crying, yeah, just amazing, I'll never forget that
  • moment.
  • Let the record reflect that I am
  • tearing up as we talk about this.
  • You mentioned the social media
  • strategy team.
  • Would you like to speak [a little]
  • more about that? Yeah, absolutely.
  • So a lot of the social media was spearheaded by my coworker Lisa,
  • in the library who, as an aside, I think will be out later so you can
  • interview them as well.
  • And so, I think what had happened
  • was some of the strike team captains had been kind of running
  • the Twitter that was really our only active social media and they
  • kind of realized two things pretty quickly right as we voted to
  • strike.
  • One was that we really needed a
  • more robust social media presence.
  • And the second was that they
  • didn't have time to do it.
  • All of my co-workers in my like
  • immediate group, were strike captains and I don't like being a
  • strike captain or anything that really involved me having to have
  • a lot of difficult conversations which, like, I'm working on but I
  • don't like it.
  • So they kept threatening to make
  • me a strike captain and I was like I really want to be involved but I
  • like this is not my area of expertise, it's not my forte and
  • this is a really important thing to get right.
  • So when my coworker Lisa said, hey I'm actually doing the social
  • media, can you take some of that off my plate?
  • I was like yeah, because if I do this, they can't make me do
  • something else.
  • So I said, yeah, I'll take on
  • Instagram and Tiktok, all of that was kind of less important during
  • the strike, and it blew up, yeah, it went wild.
  • I think we went from like, two hundred followers to about, like,
  • two thousand in about a week over the course of the strike.
  • And I think we worked- we worked very hard but I wouldn't say that
  • we had like a grand strategy.
  • I think we just were able to
  • really kind of seize on the energy that was already there because
  • students were, like, so interested in what was happening.
  • Strikes are kind of cool, in like a weird way, and they were so
  • interested in that they weren't here and they didn't know how to
  • interact and to help, and so I think they funneled a lot of that
  • into Instagram but also, you know, even on Twitter, where many of the
  • students aren't like with external organizations and stuff.
  • We also got a ton of engagement and went up to about, I think
  • about 1,500 followers from about 500 so it was just a huge wave.
  • So yeah, I mean that was very absorbing.
  • I think I spent about 80% of my time on the picket line, just
  • capturing photos and videos, you know, trying to upload things so
  • we can have some kind of like live or semi-live footage.
  • Again, like responding to like comments and messages as I was
  • able.
  • And we definitely had some
  • strategy.
  • We met like a little bit
  • beforehand.
  • We talked about like, the hashtags
  • that would be used.
  • We put together like a QR code, a
  • business card, which is really handy for people who showed up
  • with, like, professional cameras and things.
  • So we got a lot of photos in that way which I'm hoping to turn over
  • to the archives project.
  • So we're talking like several
  • gigabytes at least seven or eight gigabytes.
  • I mean, a ton of footage.
  • I hope I'm saying that right.
  • I think it is just hundreds and hundreds of photographs and
  • videos.
  • It's very well documented, in many
  • ways, I think.
  • And so, my specific strategy,
  • since I knew a lot of people were getting just like general content,
  • was really trying to make sure, like, if really important moments
  • are happening, if someone is like speaking, can we get like a
  • headshot of them? Can we get their speech recorded?
  • Can one person do one and one person do the others, were kind of
  • capturing the most important things from multiple angles and
  • corralling the staff unit members, who, many of whom are not like
  • really big on social media which I respect.
  • I'm not in my personal life surprisingly, and kind of getting
  • them to understand, like, why interaction was so important.
  • Why sharing things why tagging us why, you know, sending other stuff
  • was so important for the, for the future, for something like this.
  • And I think, yeah, I mean, I think it was broadly pretty successful.
  • There's definitely things I would have liked to have had more time
  • to, to do, and I'm really looking forward to working with the actual
  • committee that's being established this semester to kind of get some
  • things like codified and make it look smoother for you know, any
  • potential next, next go-around.
  • Stellar.
  • I'm not sure if you were involved at all with the strike [marching?]
  • funds, but I just realized that no one has [really] talked about that
  • quite yet, and especially, I think we exceeded our goal in the end,
  • and I'm curious- did you deal with that at all from the back end?
  • Not too much.
  • I was responsible, definitely
  • getting a lot of the word out about it, again with the other
  • people on social media, we made lot of posts about that.
  • There was a group, I think, actually, I think, actually Sam
  • could probably speak to that, because there is actually a group
  • of people who are responsible for working with that and getting it
  • distributed.
  • But no, I was definitely more just
  • involved in publicizing it, and that was like an incredible like
  • show [of] support.
  • I mean money is, money is not
  • always in high supply.
  • And just speaking personally like
  • as a fairly low paid staff member, like it was really make or break
  • for me.
  • I don't know that I could have
  • really gone on strike, for five days without that, that money to
  • back me up.
  • Sadly it filled up, it covered
  • most of what I would have made if I earned, if I had been working
  • because I don't get paid very much.
  • So yeah, I'm just really grateful that it was in place and that it
  • succeeded so much- so well.
  • And I'm also just slightly curious
  • about social media, are outside unions contacting us, reaching out
  • to us at all, are we, like, engaging a lot with other academic
  • labor movements going on around the country or is it mostly...?
  • Yeah I see an Instagram like to a certain degree, you know,
  • definitely in terms of like engagement like liking and posting
  • and following.
  • I think that in terms of like more
  • like long-term or tangible stuff, that's a great question for either
  • David Chi or I don't know who's on the advocacy and Outreach
  • committee.
  • I think [Mary?] and someone else
  • they're going to be these sort of Union representatives are going to
  • be more involved with that.
  • But we're certainly plugged into
  • what's going on and we try to like share some information about that
  • and just kind of generally boost engagement with with those groups
  • and it's just good to have that perspective or in certainly and
  • she know how that perspective and to realize like and hopefully to
  • share with the people who follow us that like, we're really part of
  • like this much broader, much broader movement within Academia
  • and academic staffing, which is pretty cool to see.
  • And is there anything else you'd like to talk about that?
  • I haven't asked.
  • No, I think I'm pretty talked out,
  • how I guess I would just say that maybe unlike some people like I am
  • not someone who's like excited about going on strike.
  • I might be ready to go on strike again but I wouldn't say I'm
  • looking forward to it.
  • You know, I, my ideal is always
  • that we don't have to go on strike to get the things that that we
  • need to be good and able to do our jobs.
  • But it was like, very personally transformative for me to
  • participate in that strike and just to feel that solidarity,
  • which I'm still feeling, you know, months and weeks on.
  • My co-workers and I are so much closer just because we've gone
  • through this together.
  • I don't think we could have come
  • together to actually file the grievance that we filed without
  • having that, like solidarity that we built at the strike and even
  • like with other like organizations on campus and things.
  • So it personally actually my experience actually motivated me
  • to get more involved in like organizing in general.
  • So, I actually participated in a fellowship this past fall with an
  • organization called Rising organizers to sort of train people
  • who are new to organizing and certain like strategies and
  • practices, and I've taken on some more training opportunities this
  • spring as well.
  • So, yeah, I mean, that's just
  • something I would never have thought to do as kind of a path.
  • I would never really been set on if we hadn't had to go on strike.
  • And so it's really interesting for me to see where I go next.
  • Thank you so much.
  • You are so welcome.
  • We really appreciate your contributions going to be
  • incredibly helpful.
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  • So your contribution's been incredibly helpful.
  • Thank you so much.
  • Yeah, you're so welcome.
  • Thank you very much.